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Dilemma


Hello guys!
Recently I downloaded around 100 different S3 furniture and objects sets from various sites including pay sites. I intend to convert these sets to Sims 2.
So far I contacted 4 creators asking their permission to convert their works to S2. 1 creator agreed; 3 refused for some reasons.
Sooo... I'm thinking if I really can convert their objects without asking their permissions or not. I don't ask EA's permission to convert anything, but I do it anyway. Is it really bad if I convert something without a permission? I'm still going to give all the credits to those creators, so it's not stealing.

Just to make it clear: I will not ask any permissions from now on, and I will convert all these sets for my personal use, but my question is should I share them here or not?
What do you guys think?

Poll #1860995
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Can I share converted goodies from Sims 3 without the creators' OK?

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Yes, as long as you give them credits for their work
96 (89.7%)
No, the creators' approval is a must
11 (10.3%)

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ladyare
Aug. 19th, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
I hope that you'll share them.
I don't think that sharing would hurt the original creators. You're giving them credits so it's really not a stealing or claiming these objects as your own.
But I think you should be prepared for some drama - you know probably how some creators are. Don't let those people make you feel bad when this happens. You're a great person who is making all these things for us, people who don't play The Sims 3. And we are really grateful for everything.
amovitamsim
Aug. 20th, 2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
Yes, you're right. Thank you!
gaypher
Aug. 20th, 2012 01:51 am (UTC)
Did they all have different reasons for refusing, or did they give you any reason at all? I think that should be taken into account.
amovitamsim
Aug. 20th, 2012 03:26 pm (UTC)
2 creators wrote me that they are going to convert their sets themselves; 1 of them converted 1 set of 2 I asked about; 1 still didn't (it's been 2-3 months already). 1 creator never replied to my message, so I took it as a no.
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amovitamsim
Aug. 20th, 2012 03:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
Unfortunately, nobody has ever been able to convert the clothes meshes from the Sims 3 and make them working. It is possible, but it will take so much time that it makes it not worth it.
sidgwick
Aug. 20th, 2012 03:32 pm (UTC)
It really depends on how you feel about the creators you did not receive permission from. If any of them are people you respect/like and want to collaborate or anything with in the future then it would be best to abide by their denial. Or if you regularly participate in their area of the community. As ladyare said, it will create drama. So far as it being theft--totally subjective given the many games that people have been converting objects from for Sims 2 and 3.

However, if you're comfortable with the drama fallout and any other backlash then it is really up to your own judgment.

So far as my personal opinion--I love conversions! Everything that looks awesome for my game I download. Aside from pay sites I think it is weird for creators to deny permission to convert to Sims 2 because the community is pretty share and share alike (generally). It would be worthwhile to know why they're denying permission if you do not already. But, if someone was crediting me it is pretty rare that I would deny usage simply because creative work that is in the public sphere becomes part of the community with or without permission. Better to be easy going about it. Ultimately though, I can live without content where creators don't want to share.

Regardless, it is you who will need to decide which decision you're comfortable with since you'll be the target of potential drama.

As a constant downloader of your conversions though, I'm supportive of you either way.
curiousb
Aug. 20th, 2012 04:54 pm (UTC)
I really appreciate all your conversions, and I'm looking forward to more, however, I do think that if a creator has said 'no' to you, then you should abide by their wishes. It wouldn't be stealing to go ahead anyway, but I do think it would be a bit disrespectful, and might land you in trouble.

To be honest, I don't understand why people wouldn't want their stuff converted, especially if they aren't planning to do so themselves, but frustrating as it may be, they do have a right to refuse.

That said, I think if someone didn't reply to you at all, then I'd take that to mean that they aren't bothered whether you convert their stuff or not. ;)
ladyare
Aug. 20th, 2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
You said that converting objects when creator say no would be disrespetful, but what about, for example, converting hair meshes and sharing them? I know that almost every simmer is using the meshes from sites like newsea or peggy, and these meshes are sometimes altered and shared without permission from the original creator. Or some objects from TSR that were converted to TS2 and shared. I don't see anybody complainig about being disrespectful for creators like these, probably because they're pay creators. It's not like I'm defending pay creators here, I just think that talking about respect would only be fair if someone really have respect for every creator, and not a few chosen ones or those who are not pay ones.
curiousb
Aug. 21st, 2012 09:01 am (UTC)
The whole pay vs. free debate - and discussion of the general rights and wrongs of respecting pay creators' TOUs - can get a little heated, so I don't want to get into it on someone else's LJ. ;)

But, I was talking here about a very specific case, where Creator A asks Creator B if they can reuse a particular piece of Creator B's work in some way, and Creator B says 'no'. In these circumstances, I don't think there's really any option for Creator A other than to abide by Creator B's wishes. I've had to do this on one occasion, and although it may have been irksome, I felt I had no choice really.

Edited at 2012-08-21 09:01 am (UTC)
amovitamsim
Aug. 21st, 2012 01:36 pm (UTC)
Thank you for your response CuriousB! No, I will not upload the objects of the creators who said no. My point was that I'm not going to ask permissions anymore :)
curiousb
Aug. 21st, 2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
Oh, so sorry for misunderstanding you, Amovitam! >
ritaxis
Aug. 22nd, 2012 05:30 am (UTC)
If you know that a particular creator has their own pl;ans for conversion, it's polite to let them carry out their plans, I guess. If you don't know that, I see no good reason not to share what you're doing.

sushigal007
Aug. 21st, 2012 05:56 pm (UTC)
I would say - convert what you like for your own personal use. Don't share conversions from free creators who've said no. And share conversions of pay stuff because you know if they did it themselves, it would be pay too.
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